I’ve been asked about recent events on Rose Rosetree‘s blog so it seems I need to speak to this.
Back in the spring of 2013, I wrote my first article on Rose’s work. The Rose List discussed her curious Enlightenment Life List. Curious because it includes both people I’d agree were enlightened and surprises like famous people who probably didn’t consider themselves so. It would be hard for someone clearly awake not to know they were. As I said at the time, I’d keep an open mind and explore her work further.
I went on to write a series of articles on some of her excellent books and approach to various energy and empath topics.
In December 2015, Rose and I did an experiment with a series of before and after pictures of myself to read each shift in consciousness. It turned out she saw me as enlightened in her context well before I woke up. We never did check how far before. Since then, she’s rated others I know as enlightened prior to Self Realization. They have a good quality of life but have not moved into post-personal stages yet.
Rose’s model of enlightenment moved further from a stages model similar to what I use into an emphasis on two types – renunciate and householder. She equates Self Realization in consciousness as “renunciate” or “traditional” enlightenment and “Age of Awakening” enlightenment as for householders. She described the second as different from the historical process and something we can choose.
I see the process of enlightenment as distinct from the householder/ monk orientation and other styles of expression. The shifts are much deeper than the natural varieties of form they show up through. She disagreed with a take that stages in consciousness may come after her Age of Awakening enlightenment, suggesting such stages were now unnecessary for householders. However, she had no explanation for this.
In the eastern traditions (which include the householders path), the stability of Self Realization is needed to build a firm platform for refinement and the embodiment of the divine. Anything else would be like building a home without foundations. We may be able to achieve great degrees of clarity without that, but because there’s still identification with the person, equanimity can be lost. Clarity will still be swept around on the surface of the ocean.
I don’t see any shortcuts and I don’t see the divine as embodied enough in the world to change this process yet. I’m open to the potential for other styles of unfolding but have only seen the rare exception.
Occasionally, someone on Rose’s list became astrally entangled, and she removed them as no longer representing enlightenment.
Then in September this year, Rose warned me that someone I’d blogged about had become astrally entangled. This made little sense to me as that person is embodying the cosmic and is long familiar with the difference between astral and divine. Rose said she’d be OK with whatever choice I made but when I expressed doubts and kept the post up, she was clearly not OK. She removed me from her list, apparently tainted by association. She also removed other people I knew, apparently by secondary association even though these other people didn’t know the person in question. She and some of her students promptly unsubscribed from this blog and she made efforts to remove other links here from her site.
I’d only ever seen her remove links to people who were directly entangled, so this was rather a surprise. We haven’t spoken since.
I remain open to evidence of other styles but from what I’ve seen, someone can be very clear energetically and have a nice divine connection but not have become Self Realized. Identification is still at play. Inversely, someone can become Self Realized but still have a lot of work to do energetically and have no divine connection. They’ve lost identification but still lack clarity and bliss. From my perspective, these are variations in the two processes of clarity and consciousness, not different forms of enlightenment.