The Rose List

I first became aware of Rose Rosetree through her interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump (Batgap). She’s all about subtle perception and healing and developing skills for same. Her tag-line is “Reading People Deeper and Healing with Energy Spirituality

As I’m exploring models of awakening, I was fascinated by the idea that her “energetic literacy” allows a person to read if someone is enlightened or not. I know a small number of people who can see this and can help people past their last barriers. As this is a potent way to support others and opens the door to objective ways to study post-personal development, the ability to learn it was intriguing. But evaluating such a unique vision is not a simple matter.

She sees the stages very similarly to how I do. But she determines the shift quite differently, through auras. By auras though, she don’t necessarily mean coloured light around the body but rather energetic signatures. Light is only one aspect of that.

She describes an enlightened person as having a “stabilized, habitual state of consciousness with certain characteristics that would be easy to identify for someone with Stage Three Energy Literacy.” She refers to “databanks” in each chakra and said they’d all be working well, are relatively balanced, and are free of “stuff” – her term for astral or emotional debris. The aura will also be permeated with the divine in some way and there will be a value of joy from that connection.

In other words, the personal crud is cleared and they are feeling the divine. A dry Self Realization would not make the cut.

She’s rather fearless about calling a spade a spade and tells it like she sees it. A few teachers she mentions as being enlightened but having messed up (including ones she’s studied with).  A few others she mentions as awake but not enlightened, even if they say otherwise. I’d agree there are some who have recognized the Self but not become it yet. I was such for many years. And there’s a difference between Self Realization and its mature state, sat chit ananda (absolute bliss consciousness).

At first, I wondered if she was reading sattva development rather than atman. But her comments suggest more. “Permeated with the divine in some way” suggests a deep perception. Earlier, I had the impression that there was a standard underlying energetic process in enlightenment. The chakras are awakened and we connect with source in the crown. Advanced stages unfold during a decent. Some teachers and kundalini traditions follow this model. However, others experience the stages during the rise and there are kundalini traditions that support that as well. And so on. She has apparently recognized this variety in the results.

The List
The result of her reads is her Enlightenment Life List, people she’s rated as Enlightened by the above criteria. Unexpectedly, it includes some famous people like Obama, the Clintons, and George Clooney. Shades of Men in Black! (laughs) From comments, it would seem that being in the larger public eye can raise someones consciousness. (a group consciousness effect?) But I’ve never explored that. In most cases I’ve seen, people who are enlightened know they are. I have met a few who were unsure. But once verified, their progress accelerated.

Rose indicates that when she started expanding the edge of energetic literacy into enlightenment, she didn’t meet the standard herself. Also, as she’s more heart driven, there is less conceptual precision. Plus it’s kind of an organic unfolding like this blog, rather than a presentation of a fully formed teaching. But as Rick Archer (Batgap) said to me, “she’s a sweetheart, making her much-needed contribution.

Of course, making pronouncements about others is tricky territory. David Hawkins, of Power vs Force fame, is notorious for having rated many famous teachers, all of whom he rated as lower than himself, save Jesus. His ratings are considered infallible by himself & adherents. (he’s a no on Rose’s list) There are also some guru rating sites that are essentially trash-em lists.

Rose’s approach doesn’t fall into these traps but is instead a simple is or isn’t (yet). She says it’s about clarity rather than judgment. And offering examples for students to read. But a few issues still come to mind. For example, it’s not the person who is enlightened. It is the Self that wakes up to itself, through an apparent person. Making a list of names points to the person. But addressing that requires only a caveat. She talks about some of this here.

It’s useful to note here that she differentiates Householder and Renunciate enlightenment. A renunciate is Neti Neti (not this, not this) oriented whereas a householder still very much engages their person as an aspect of their expression. If this difference isn’t clear and a householder tries to play a middle ground, they succeed at neither. I’ll write more on this later.

Secondly, her process is by perception which can be fallible. The perception is also reading the effects of awakening not the awakening itself. She does however mention a few exceptions who appear to meet criteria but have issues that overshadow that development. She also notes it’s her read and opinion. No absolutes stated. That’s a good sign.

Clearly, it depends on the skill and experience of the reader. As I don’t have these skills, I’m keeping an open mind to get a better sense of what this is. I’ve bought her book Aura Reading Through All Your Senses but have just started it. She’s since recommended more recent books to me, like Read People Deeper. Thus, this article is more a work in progress than a review.

Here’s a good article on how her outlook evolved. She also talks about what she sees as the 10 most significant things about enlightenment there.

Meanwhile
Meanwhile, I commented on her blog a few times. One she quite liked and moved forward to a more recent post, then offered to read me for her list.

I found the exercise interesting as it looks to the question from a different angle than usual and confirms a couple of subjective impressions.

As prior posts mention, I’ve stayed pretty low key about who I am here, for various reasons. And awakening really isn’t about a person anyway. So it was a consideration if this was even appropriate. But now I sit at #180 on her list. (laughs)

I’ll do some more reading & exploring before I have better handle on the techniques she teaches. She certainly has a unique vision and some excellent insights. If her processes are as effective as she suggests, they could be quite useful in a number of ways.

Meanwhile, we’ve exchanged blogroll links.  😉
Davidya

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19 Responses to The Rose List

  1. Davidya, your post is the first I know about that has attempted to put in context the explorations I have been doing with the Enlightenment Life List.

    Thank you for spreading the word. A wise man, Masumi Hori, wrote something fascinating in his preface for one of my books (“Let Today Be a Holiday,”)

    Writing about the long history of spiritual seeking in Japan, he wrote (to paraphrase), “It’s time for spiriutality to be accountable.”

    So many years for you and me, Davidya, have been spent without accountability. I do see potential for people to use Energy Literacy and gain discernment about accountability and more, even the fulfillment of our most sacred dreams.

    Again, thank you. And, officially, hello to your community as well.

  2. Davidya says:

    Thanks for your thoughts, Rose. Glad you liked my initial review.

    And yes, for too long we’re left with our own guessing in choosing a teacher. How were we supposed to know if they’re what they claim to be? As I’ve noted in other posts here, it’s all too easy to over-estimate spiritual progress and get caught in our own story about our great wisdom. Really embodying an awakening takes time.

    And welcome to you also. 😉

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  5. Ben says:

    This is a superb post Davidya. One thing I have seen here is that even though I have had awakening experiences, it has been difficult for these to integrate into the mindbody experience. Energetic healing seems to be the only thing that helps. The reason I say this is I can feel energetic hooks in patterns of behavior and from trauma. While there is a modicum of clarity about consciousness, awakening, etc. It is also seen what prevents clarity.

    I can tell you that the energetic blocks can overwhelm the mindbody and control the person beyond even what they know in their largest self is true.

    In fact, all that was coming into clarity for me this weekend. The “i” has receded here. It is clear that there is energetic debris. What I can say is for it to clear, the “i” had to step aside. I went as far as I could from the initial awakening in 2008.

    No teaching can communicate intellectually the clearing that needs to happen here energetically. I see this being sensitive to energy and somewhat empathic.

    I am really grateful for this post. Came at the perfect time. Thank you!

  6. Davidya says:

    Thanks, Ben. Nice to hear from you.
    Yeah, once there is a spiritual shift, our energetic stuff becomes more conscious. Dealing with it directly is much more effective but such skills are not as well known. Usually they want you to wade into the dramas or whatever..

    You’re very welcome.

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